Windows Server - Problem Sharing Files Between PCs

I have two PCs connected to each other through a Wireless-N Gigabit
Router (model number WRT310N). One PC is running Windws XP while the
other is running Windows 7. At this point I do not have, or want,
Internet connectivity. I would, however, like to call web pages on the
Windows 7 PC from the Windows XP PC. The Windows 7 PC has php files
that run C++ files to analyze files supplied by the Windows XP PC and
I would like to send the results of the analysis back to the XP PC.

The reason for this is that I am setting up a home based web site that
allows users to run programs on my Windows 7 PC but I want to keep
hackers from accessing files on my Windows 7 PC. So the XP will be
connected directly to the Internet and the Windows 7 PC will only be
connected to the XP PC.

I can successfully ping both ways between the Windows 7 PC and XP PC.
So I fire up FireFox (FF) on the XP PC and type the following in the
FF URL box.
[Win7PCIPAddress]/SharedDirectoryOnWin7PC/FileName.hmtl
The following ensues on the FF browser.
Looking up searchconduit.com
Looking up isearch.avg.com
Firefox cannot find the server isearch.avg.com

The same happens when I replace the Windows 7 PC IP address with the
Windows 7 PC name.

I tried to set up a network between the two PCs with the MS network
wizard on the XP box. It made a setup disk with a single file on it. I
was supposed to run the setup file on the other PCs that are supposed
to be on the network but, whe I did, I got the following message.

Cannot complete the Setwork Setup Wizard,
An error occurred during the configuration of the network on this
computer.
You can configure the network manually.

I did not find that message helpful apart from telling me that the
setup was unsuccessful.

Any assistance with this problem would be greatly appreciated.
Peter.

Your logic is flawed. If you network the two PCs and the web facing one
gets compromised then the other PC will be reachable because it is
connected via the network.

These machines should be in a DMZ and ideally run as VMs.

Desk Rabbit "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:


LOL

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Good helpful feedback that. Can't argue with the cut and thrust and
technically backed up comments.



Whoops, sorry! Replied to the wrong post.

I wonder who got the message saying stupid cunt?

Thank you for your reply.

I am aiming for the setup described here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demilitarized_zone_%28computing%29 .  The
XP PC is the web layer while the Windows 7 PC is the application
layer.  Both have firewalls. Also, the XP PC is supposed to only
access files on the shared folder of the Windows 7 PC.  Those files
are less sensitive and call files on unshared folders on the Windows 7
PC.

Are VMs not software?  Would they not be easier to hack than hardware?

M, kay...first thing pops to mind is Apache...lets try easier first...

Mkay...this might be easier:

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What protocol?
http://[Win7PCIPAddress]/SharedDirectoryOnWin7PC/FileName.hmtl

will not work

Use:

file:///[Win7PCIPAddress]/SharedDirectoryOnWin7PC/FileName.hmtl

BTW ---  Didn't you say you had a mapped directory?

Then it should go like this:

file:///z:/SharedDirectoryOnWin7PC/FileName.hmtl

replace "z" with the mapped drive

Or install a web server.

ww.savewolves.org

Thanks.  I looked over it and will look at it in more depth tomorrow.

mtl

Thank you for your reply.  I have found that I can do what I want to
do but only if I share the folder on the Windows 7 PC with Everyone.
I have set up a network but can only see the network on my XP PC.
That is on my XP PC I can see bothe the XP PC and the Windows 7 PC.
However, on the Windows 7 PC I can only see the Windows 7 PC.  I have
successfully set up a workgroup on the Windows 7 PC.  It has the same
name as the network I see on the XP PC but I could not find the
equivalent of the Network Connection wizard on the Windows 7 PC.  So I
have not managed to set up a network, on the Windows 7 PC that include
the XP PC.  Or at least I may have a network but it can only be seen
(and seen perfectly) from the XP PC.

Any assistance with having the network visible on the Windows 7 PC
would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Peter.

To properly implement a DMZ you need a hardware firewall. It sounds like
you are using software firewalls on the PCs and if you think a VM is
easier to hack then it sounds like you are well out of your depth
because that is not the reason I suggested using them.

I have many years experience in installing & running web facing servers
for business clients and I have never had a breach. You are on course to
be the next spam source and bot net member.

Go here:

Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network and Sharing Center\Advanced
sharing settings

Turn them all on.

Explanation here:
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-7/share-files-and-printers-between-windows-7-and-xp/

BTW... It makes things a little easier if the logon creds. are the same
on each machine.

Desk Rabbit "contributed" in 24hoursupport.helpdesk:

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Nobody, yet. But I thought you were joking: the OP obviously does'nt know
much about networking, how would he know the meaning of a DMZ or a VM?

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Indeed. It was meant to prove my point that he does not understand what
he is doing and the implications of getting it wrong.

Thank you for your reply.  The PCs are connected through a Linksys
router. with an SPI firewall. The available Internet filters are
- Filter anonymous Internet requests
- Filter multicast
- Filter Internet NA redirection
- Filter Indet (Port 113)

It can also block the following applications: NDS, ping, gttp, https,
ftp, pop, imap, nntp, telnet, shmp, tftp and IKE

I have started reading up on virtual machines and will try to get back
about that tomorrow.

Thanks,
Peter

-printers-bet...

Thanks.  I had been trying to work through that link before.  I make
sure that both machines have the same workgroup.  I also have the
right advanced sharing settings.  But I cannot go into  Network in
Windows 7.  The Windows Explorer window on has > Computer >  but not >
Network >

Thanks,
Peter.

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I looked at my first message and saw that I neglected to mention that
the XP PC is supposed to be in the DMZ while the Windows 7 PC is
behind a router.  I am trying to set up a DMZ with the web layer
connected to the Internet and the application layer accessible only
from the web layer through a type of filter so that it cannot have
direct access from the Internet.  I have ZoneAlarm on both PCs and the
two PC are connected through a LinkSys router.  I am on a steep
learning curve which is why I am here.

Thanks,
Peter.

Just follow the instructions here:

HTH

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I'd suggest you let the router handle the firewall, not zone-alarm.
Same with any windows firewalls; disable them and let the router take
care of things. From what Ive read, trying to do what you want via
party software with an idiot-proof interface or learning how to set up

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ww.savewolves.org

Thank you for getting back to me about this.  I tried the link and it
mainly discusses how Windows 7 compares with Windows Vista.  I have
never used Vista.  I learned a bit from the discussion of the features
but it did not actually explain how to set up a network with the other
computers in the work group or how to make them visible.  It seems
that a home group would not work for me since that appears to require
that all PCs in the group are running Win. 7.

A couple of questions I have about the link.
1/ On page 2, it says that the dialog box saying which network I am on
has a Change button.  Mine does not.
2/ On page 2, it says that the Advanced Sharing Options dialog box
maintains Home, Public and Domain network profiles.  My system does
not have a Domain network profile.
I wonder if the differences could be because I have a home edition.

In the Advanced Sharing Options, I have Network Discovery turned on
for both available domains.  But I still cannot see the XP PC although
the XP PC is reading files off my Windows 7 PC.

Thanks,
Peter.

Bingo!

IIRC Vista Home could not join a domain and had no domain policy tool, I
was just wondering if W7 had a similar aspect.

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Would it not make the system less secure if I disabled the software
firewalls unnecessarily?

Not if you have the hardware firewall set up properly. The more I think
about your "issue" the more it seems that what you want is a VPN.


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I'd say thats very likely. XP Home also lacked networking options that
Pro has.


I'd pick a computer and get the necessary software to turn it into a file
server and just use it for that. VPN would do it. Apache would also work.
Not really seeing why you wish to network these two computers just to
serve up some files to the Internet. Thats a job you can do with one
dedicated "server" pc.


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I am xposting this so the A2600 crowd can chime in...better h4Xrz over
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like
servers
Here, read this;

Running IIS on Windows XP Professional

Many people do not know that Windows XP Professional includes a fully
functional web server, Microsoft IIS 5.1. For a small office or home,
this is incredibly convenient. If you are a developer who wants to try web
development with HTML, Javascript, Active Server Pages (ASP), or
VBScript, having IIS can allow you to experiment quickly with files on
your local system. Of course, you could always download and install the
free and robust Apache web server, but IIS is somewhat simpler and the
documentation is better.



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W7 is beginning to look like a step backwards from XP in this
respect.  My XP is a home edition as well.

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I am new to this so maybe setting the HW firewall up properly is the
trick.  I told Mr. Rabbit what I have on my router.  That is:
The PCs are connected through a Linksys router with an SPI firewall.
The available Internet filters are
- Filter anonymous Internet requests
- Filter multicast
- Filter Internet NA redirection
- Filter Indet (Port 113)

It can also block the following applications: NDS, ping, gttp, https,
ftp, pop, imap, nntp, telnet, shmp, tftp and IKE.

Would the correct settings there work?

I have been reading about VPNs.  They seem to be mainly for tunneling to
remote locations but could conceivably be used between computers.  The
important thing is that I want the web server to be accessible from
the Internet and to be able to call php and html scripts from the app.
server.  But I do not want hackers to be able to access code on the
app. server.  If they could access code on the shared folders, that
would not necessarily be a problem.  But if they could access files in
the unshared folders it definitely would.

Seems VPNs need ceritficates and/or passwords to access the target
site.  If they could be sent from the web server then it seems that
hackers could get them from the web server.

Thanks,
Peter.

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I have WAMPServer installed.  I want to use PHP and MySQL as well.
PHP calls executables that were written in C++.  I do not want hackers
to be able to access these executables and reverse engineer the code.

Thanks,
Peter.

Just look for them and click

Control Panel\Network and Internet\Network and Sharing Center\Advanced
sharing settings

SNIP



To Those that participated in this discussion with helpful dialog,

THANKS!

I added all the pertinent information into an archive I made so I can
learn something else about using computers!

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Only prop, is that most of us who could can only walk the guy though
getting sharing working in *nix systems. I can help accessing *hump*
on my setup.

As far as simple Windblows issues with networked frackerhood I'd need to
take a quick look in person; and that costs beer money and bus fare,
buddy!

(Unless of course I get a call from some hot readheaded college girl with
PC issues, there are "alternative" payment methods I accept!)

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Oh FFS, Home Edition of Win7 cannot join a domain, peer-to-peer
networking it is trivial.

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The system will be down for 10 days for preventive maintenance.

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Home editions are mostly installed just on cheep netbook and discount
systems. Always suggest if you have the almost useless home edition to
grab a clean torrent of the Ultimate version. Heck, with home; changing
your desktop wallpaper or getting general networking setup is a whole
process of hacks/addons in itself.

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Bullshit, networking is easy with home edition, for a small workgroup.
My wife's OS X iMac, my Home Win7 lappy, and old XP Home Desktop, and
two Linux boxes are networked with several peripherals, including
network MF Printer and a couple security cameras, no problems.

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Horse manure, home edition does not have.... O' wait <runs to Wikipedia>,
ya may bad. I was comparing home edition... thinking it was "starter".
Damn it, well with all these editions from Microballz I cannot keep up. Ya
may bad, two or three drinks in me tonight and it is easy to mix up

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Sorry.  I did not word my question very well.  What you outline gets
me to the "Change sharing options for different network profiles"
dialog at the top of page 2 of the link.I was wanting to get to
Network in the explorer dialog at the top of page 3 where is says,
machine and the Windows 7 as well..."

Thanks,
Peter.

Mheh...people with sk1LL2 always want money...frankly I am outta my depth
here and have suggested he try a VPN setup or run Apache...heres what he
wants to do:
important thing is that I want the web server to be accessible from
the Internet and to be able to call php and html scripts from the app.
server.  But I do not want hackers to be able to access code on the
app. server.  If they could access code on the shared folders, that
would not necessarily be a problem.  But if they could access files in
the unshared folders it definitely would."

Maybe *he* should hire a local IT pro, eh?


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I just tossed yer problem to the peeps in alt.2600...since I am outta
ideas. Read that NG and talk at them...might be more helpful.

Good Luck.

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suggest you use the command line tools to see your shared files...


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Thank you for the link.  I got a bit further that time.  When I went
to the command prompt and typed
$ net view
on both PCs, I saw both PCs on both PCs.  So they must be in the same
domain which is the default domain on both PCs.  However, when I typed
$ net share sharename=3D"c:/DirectoryToShare"
or
$ net share sharename=3D"c:\DirectoryToShare"
I got a success message at the command prompt but was not able to
access files, on the application PC, from the web PC unless I right
clicked on DirectoryToShare and selected "share with everyone".  That
does not seem very secure.  I am not so much worried about hackers
getting access to the shared directory as long as they cannot access
unshared directories on the same PC.

Thanks,
Peter.

Yep, its all or nothing with windows :)

Encrypt any files you dont want shared. One other idea: try a p2p program
to share files.




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Thank you for your help.  At this point I have installed Ubuntu on
both PCs and am trying that route.

If you need something you can find it here:

Se hai bisogno di qualcosa qui la trovi:

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/724-53478-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=1&pub=5574632691&toolid=10001&campid=5336816250&customid=&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229494&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg




Thank you for your help.  At this point I have installed Ubuntu on
both PCs and am trying that route.

If you need something you can find it here:

Se hai bisogno di qualcosa qui la trovi:

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/724-53478-19255-0/1?icep_ff3=1&pub=5574632691&toolid=10001&campid=5336816250&customid=&ipn=psmain&icep_vectorid=229494&kwid=902099&mtid=824&kw=lg




I have WAMPServer installed.  I want to use PHP and MySQL as well.
PHP calls executables that were written in C++.  I do not want hackers
to be able to access these executables and reverse engineer the code.

Thanks,
Peter.